Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Siapa Gevi SpA

Bodoh betul si Parpu..tak erti Bahasa Inggeris. Dia kata Gevi SpA tu ada kait mengait dengan YB Tn. Hj Khairy tapi kalau kao baca posting kat bawah nie (yang parpu dah beri pautan) senang kao nak paham

  • GeviSpA tu ada kait mengait dengan usahawan Itali iaitu Claudio Castigolini
  • Dialah yang menguasai operasi di MV Augusta
  • Dia sudah membaca daun dan mengetahui Proton ni akan terbenam kerana menanggung beban hutang MV Augusta
  • Dia bijak mengatur strategi

Biar tuan paham , Proton sebenarnya tiada apa apa kepentingaan strategik dengan melabur dalam syarikat MV Augusta. Orang yang membangun MV Augusta ni hanya memerlukan wang ringgit tuan puan yang disedekahkan kepada Proton kerana sistem cukai impot yang tinggi.

Thank you - Parpu, sah kao pencacai Tun Dr Mahathir yang paling bodoh tetapi masih dianggap sebagai wira. Teruskan!








08-10-2006, 12:44 PM
Does anyone know the real story about proton - MV Augusta/Cagiva/Husky and GEVI-SpA?


And who is GEVI-SpA? From all the info I can gather, they are a company that didn't exist until they purchased MV Augusta.


Are MVs and Cagiva selling well like Husky is?


Did Proton get some technology they wanted and then dumped the company? Or, is there some kind of handshake deal that we'll sell this company back to you once we've cleared the debt?


The recent ownership history of these brands is interesting, but doesn't make sense. Proton spent millions buying a company laden with debt and then turns around and sells it one year later for 1 Euro to a company that no one knows anything about. Something is up. I want to know more.
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GregMatty
08-10-2006, 01:10 PM
You seem to know a lot more than most people do. Has Husky's ownership changed hands again?


Greg
CowboyBob
08-10-2006, 01:24 PM
They are an investment Banking Firm, or at least that is all I was able to find.


I am sure the original interest was in the engineering that the Motorcycle concern had but with import and export reg's that tightened up on Autos, Proton was put in a position to "stop the bleeding".


The 1 Euro figure was only "ceremonial", in fact Gevi SpA assumed massive Debt.


Do a search on the keyword here for more info.
arod2000
08-10-2006, 01:54 PM
The 1 Euro figure was only "ceremonial", in fact Gevi SpA assumed massive Debt.






I'm well aware of that.


And I read the threads many months ago before I bought my Husky. No, I'm not concerned at all about the future of Husky. I'm wondering if anyone knows any more now that 8 mos have passed.


Proton didn't put the company up for bid. They just sold it and seemingly rather quietly. MV has been in bankrutpcy protection for years - you can't just sell a company that is in bankrupty protection to just anyone. It has to be someone with relevant experience. Courts and debtors have to approve it. Investment bankers? hum. I'd like to know more.
Interceptor
08-10-2006, 04:02 PM
Not Sure who GEVI Spa is but the company MV Agusta is no longer under bankruptcy protection that was removed in August 2004 after Proton had been in charge for 12months.A deal was struck to pay off the debt with a long term loans payed over 7 years.This was thrashed out in Italian courts.
The reason Proton pulled out was that they are in trouble in the Auto market & the CEO who arranged the Agusta deal was ousted.A change of management meant the a change of direction Proton wanted to offload any Non Core assets & as MV Agusta has debts etc.However reading between the lines I have heared that GEVI are some rich banking friends of Claudio Castiglioni the man still in charge of the company.He set up Cagiva bought Ducati, Husqvarna etc.However for their 1 Euro they basically got 35 million Euro which Proton had invested into the company to get it up & running again.You can see the Castiglioni & GEVI saw what was happening at Proton & manouvered a quick get out for Proton. Proton were under big pressure as they were making a losses as a car maker & with Agusta unlikely to make any decent profit for a few years.Basically for GEVI had a nice sweetner of 10's millions of Euros.If that investment money stayed in the company then the debt should be improved vastly by now.
However for me I think the MV Agusta company needs fresh new management & marketing people.More marketing money & fresh ideas need to be made in forging the company forward.Like the complete change which happened to KTM when they went bust in 1991-92.The new Husky bikes has seen great investment & they have a fantastic product but they need to constantly push & develop new product variations accessiories etc Like KTM has a huge practical accessory catalogue.
arod2000
08-11-2006, 08:36 AM
MV Agusta is no longer under bankruptcy protection that was removed in August 2004 after Proton had been in charge for 12months


Ah, that explains some. Thank you for the good reply (I guessed it would come from someone in Europe)


reading between the lines I have heared that GEVI are some rich banking friends of Claudio Castiglioni the man still in charge of the company.


That would explain why they are making awesome freak'n products. I figured someone who really knew bikes had to be near the top.


for their 1 Euro they basically got 35 million Euro which Proton had invested into the company to get it up & running again.Basically for GEVI had a nice sweetner of 10's millions of Euros.


YES. This is what I want to know the fine details about. Someone write a book or something! I understand the CEO change at Proton and I understand that it is sometimes more valuable to have an asset off of your books. But from what I've read, even with the debt, MV was still worth 10s of millions.


think the MV Agusta company needs fresh new management & marketing people.More marketing money & fresh ideas need to be made in forging the company forward.Like the complete change which happened to KTM when they went bust in 1991-92.The new Husky bikes has seen great investment & they have a fantastic product but they need to constantly push & develop new product variations accessiories etc Like KTM has a huge practical accessory catalogue.


I agree with you partially. Husky could really use a fresh marketing team. But the management in place are the ones that some how got the company back and with a big bundle of cash. The same team are responsible for the bikes today and I believe they can't be beat. Fresh marketing would be nice, but keep the leadership.


Thankyou for the informative response. (I'd still like to know more of the details of ownership going from Proton back to Italy... if anyone knows anything else)
MattR
08-11-2006, 05:48 PM
Here is an article about the Proton Holdings (Malaysian car maker) sell of MV Augusta to GEVI SpA (Italian financial investor). The "GEVI" company sounds like it was created for this transaction and also owns Cagiva and Husqvarna. No sure who makes up/leads GEVI since little info is available from my searches.


http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news_business.php?id=175701

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

wneger,

dont waste time arguing with an imbecile and mental retard like parpu kari. his brain must be clogged up with lard layers. he wont understand the issues concerning augusta.
auguta was a life threatening tumor to Proton. if Proton keeps auguta, the whole organization is bankrupted. it was a case of cutting losses. sacrifice augusta to save Proton.
but a FLCE person like parpu will not understand.

Anonymous said...

ko lagi bodoh MV Agusta bila dijual semua aset melebihi hutang piutangnya. lagi bodoh jual 1 euro.. ini kira nyer lebih cerdik dari pakcik kordi le yer. harap ko siar komen ni wahai tuan blogger

kgpadangbalang. said...

Kepada anonymous,

Jagan panggil orang bodoh kalau sendiri tak sedar bodoh.

Baca balik artikel Wenger terdahulu (ada dah delete tapi dia retrieve balik dari cache).

http://wengeratwar.blogspot.com/2010/02/menjawab-tomahan-tun-berkenaan-mv_12.html

Jumlah aset 60 juta, jumlah hutang semasa 123 juta.

Secara ringkasnya, kalau SEMUA ASET MV AGUSTA DIJUAL PUN TAK DAPAT COVER HUTANGNYA YANG BERJTA EURO TU.

Aku sengaja taruk CAPS LOCK pasal bagi kau nampak.

Kalau boleh jual aset MV Agusta untuk cover balik hutangnya, mesti diorang dah buat kan? Diorang tu Proton dengan MV agusta sendiri lah.

Tapi kenapa tak buat? Pasal sebab tadi. Lagi satu, kalau dah jual aset, macam mana MV Agusta nak bina 'jentera hebat ber-roda dua' seperti dalam Robb Report tu? Buat kat bangsal ayam kau ke?

Ada benda TDM buat memang betul, tapi ada juga dia buat mistake. Bagi Mahalel jadi CEO Proton adalah salah satu mistakenya.

Aku, yang tak belajar ekonomi tapi masih paham konsep untung-rugi.

Anonymous said...

Kalau Gevi SPA boleh buat duit dengan MV Agusta...dan Harley Davidson...beratus juta Euro pulak tu apsal Proton jual MV Agusta dgn RM5? Tak ke pandai? Orang yg jual MV Agusta di Proton tu tak tau mcm mana nak nilai keupayaan dan 'hidden asset' MV Agusta (tangible/intangible assets..capability..technology...marketing arms...brand name..etc etc etc)...orang lain tau nilai...sebab tu diaorng dapat harness beratus2 juta Euro dari company yg sama yg kita orang pandai2 jual RM5. Kelakar betul.

Anonymous said...

Nak bina kerete kecil tak payah nak beli syarikat moto
RM 1 billion hanya untuk dapatkan enjin
suruh injiner lotus reka injin baru. kita beli depa pun dah nak sampai RM 1 billion

Anonymous said...

proton hanya ada 56% peratus je,..waktu jual pada harley depa jual 100%. lebi2 lagi, kompeni dah kena restruktur.
cuba puak anti Wenger cuba nak fikir. kenape tun tergamak untuk membailout MV Augutsa dengan harga RM 500 JUTA?

Takkan saja nak beli injin. apa hebat sangat injin mv augusta. kalu guna kat malaysia dia ada kena overheating kot?

kgpadangbalang said...

Semua tak suka membaca, tau komen je tanpa rujuk fakta.

Gevi SpA tu dah berapa kali explain, dia special purpose vehicle. Bukan kenderaan kegunaan khas, tapi satu syarikat ditubuhkan khas untuk settlekan satu masalah.

MV Agusta hutang banyak, teknikalnya dia dah bankrap, jual semua aset dan segala harta pun tak bleh cover hutang, takde orang yang sanggup atau bodoh nak beli.

Jadi Bank Itali namanya Banca Carige tubuhkan Gevi SpA untuk takeover MV Agusta punya hutang. Macam kerajaan Malaysia tubuhkan Danaharta untuk takeover hutang-hutang syarikat Malaysia time gawat dulu.

Macam kerajaan Malaysia tubuhkan Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad (PMB) untuk beli segala hutang dan aset Malaysia Airlines (MAS) tahun 2005.

Lagi satu, Gevi SpA cuma settlekan sebahagian je hutang MV Agusta, macam dulu Proton bila beli MV Agusta pun hanya settlekan sebahagian je hutang MV Agusta jugak. Dan bila Harley Davidson beli MV Agusta pun dia cuma dapat settlekan sikit lagi hutang tu.

Dah boleh bayang betapa banyak hutang MV Agusta tu? Tiga kali orang datang beli dan settlekan pun tak habis-habis?

Skang ni pasal Harley dah takeover MV Agusta, diorang dari untung berjuta dulu dah jadi rugi berjuta skang. Macam Wenger explain. Dia bukan tipu korang, itu yang dilaporkan dalam Laporan Tahunan dan Kewangan Harley Davidson. Pakcik Google boleh carikan.

Harley dah nak jual pun MV Agusta. Kalau korang terror sangat dan suka sangat menempah maut, dipersilakan menghubungi BNP Paribas cawangan Itali untuk submit proposal.

Tak percaya tanya Pakcik Alan Cathcart. Ala, dia kan selalu tulis artikel dalam majalah motosikal Roda-Roda tu.

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29124

Tu bank Perancis tau bukan ikan pari jenis bas.

Macam Wenger cakap, dia bukan anti TDM, tapi bila TDM tipu korang WAJIB kita betulkan tipudaya dia tu!